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PostSubject: Re: Bands You Hated But Now Like   Bands You Hated But Now Like - Page 2 EmptyFri Sep 10, 2010 3:57 pm

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I haven't heard Planet Waves, my favourites are John Wesley Harding, Blood on the Tracks, Bringing It All Back Home and Desire. I think Highway 61 Revisited would be up there if I didn't over-listen to it.
Listen to the song "Dirge". It's impossible to find on YouTube, but it's a beautifully deep and dark song. The music goes so well with the lyrics to present this feeling of tragedy and unrelenting passion. It's really one of the few songs I can call "beautiful" and it always leaves me with an empty, sorrowful feeling after I listen to it.

Definitely one of Dylan's best songs.
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I'm downloading Planet Waves now, I'll listen to it after I've finished my current album.
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I'm downloading Planet Waves now, I'll listen to it after I've finished my current album.
Alright. I'm sure you've heard at least a couple songs off of it. You've probably heard "Forever Young".
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Bob Dylan was tricked by Rubin Carter. Smile
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xSTONEYx187x wrote:
Bob Dylan was tricked by Rubin Carter. Smile
"Hurricane" was still a great song, regardless.
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Nujabes is amazing....
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Nujabes is amazing....
Someone's been hanging out with Zillah too much . . . but yeah, he's good.
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PostSubject: Re: Bands You Hated But Now Like   Bands You Hated But Now Like - Page 2 EmptySat Sep 11, 2010 6:57 am

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Oh did I say lyrics? Oops, sorry I thought I said music.
Oh wait....
So wait, you're saying that hip-hop has shallow melodies, rhythms, beats, etc.?



Yup. So shallow.

I'll give you that. That's the only rap song I've ever heard in my life that is not utter shit.
Too bad that's probably not gonna change.

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Oh and by the way, that song is meant to be about a nightmare. It's not supposed to make much sense or be "deep". It's meant to be weird. You know, like dreams are...


Btw let's look at one of your favourite band's songs.

Quote :
Lady Supermarket with an apple in her basket
Knocks in the manager's door;
Grooning to the muzak from a speaker in shoe rack
Lays out her goods on the floor;
Everything she's chosen is conveniently frozen.
Eat it and come back for more!

Lady Window Shopper with a new one in the hopper
Whips up a chemical brew;
Croaking to a neighbour while she polishes a sabre
Knows how to flavour a stew.
Never need to worry with a tin of 'Hurri Curri':
Poisoned especially for you!

No use to complain
If you're caught out in the rain;
Your mother's quite insane.
Cat food cat food cat food again.

Lady Yellow Stamper with a fillet in a hamper
Dying to finish the course;
Goodies for the table with a fable on the label
Drowning in miracle sauce.
Don't think I am that rude if I tell you that it's cat food

Not even fit for a horse!

More lyrics: http://www.lyricsfreak.com/k/king+crimson/#share

Oh my.... so deep, so emotional. Cat food. :') What a wonderful masterpiece!!

Yeah, unlike you I don't judge musicians upon their Languge talent but actually their musical talent.

I assumed you were referring to rap being lyrically shallow, with the themes of a lot of rap being purely misogyny and money.

I give you props for managing to pick a song from my second least favourite King Crimson album, I'm going to guess you tried to find the worst possible lyrics of the band. I judge music on whatever I hear, both lyrics and music. Some things I listen to more for lyrics (rap included, although the music and production of lots of rap is great, Bob Dylan) and some I listen to mostly for the music (King Crimson, Miles Davis, Yes, Genesis).

Here are some King Crimson lyrics I like.

Your admirers on the street
Gotta hoot and stamp their feet
In the heat from your physique
As you twinkle by in moccasin sneakers

And I thought my heart would break
When you doubled up at the stake
With your fingers all a-shake
You could never tell a winner from a snake
but you always make money

Easy money

With your figure and your face
Strutting out at every race
Throw a glass around the place
Show the colour of your crimson suspenders

We would take the money home
Sit around the family throne
My old dog could chew his bone
For two weeks we could appease the Almighty

Easy money

Got no truck with the la-di-da
Keep my bread in an old fruit jar
Drive you out in a motor-car
Getting fat on your lucky star just making

Easy money


King Crimson - Easy Money (From the album Larks' Tongues in Aspic)

On the subject of being "weird" or "not supposed to make much sense", I wouldn't describe the lyrics to Nightmare either of those things. The lyrics were extremely literal and easy to understand.

No I'm talking musically, rap is rarely any good.
Sorry for picking a song on your second least favourite king crimson album. You picked a song from my second least favourite A7X album.
Worst lyrics I could find? I typed in King Crimson lyrics on google, clicked on a site that had multiple songs and clicked on one of them randomly.

And those lyrics aren't that great ..... imo of course.

Check out these A7X lyrics:

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Man's becoming more corrupt now, godless, wicked, and cruel
The soulless man stood silenced, Mary's words rang so true
Chastisement worse than the flood, spread the word, it's all through
Don't kill the messenger girl
As if we haven't swam enough in this life of misery

Voice your prophecy, shed us some light
Feel sorrow for mankind's chance to survive
Swallowed lies and swam in our own tears
A stab in the dark but it wounded our will
We won't be here tomorrow, hold on to me for one last time

We've grown into the numbers six hundred sixty six
War breaks, a sign of the end, eternally expelled
Look to the sky for knowledge, the stars align tonight
Eclipse and heaven shall fall
Now I know I've seen it all in my life of misery

Voice your prophecy, shed us some light
Feel sorrow for mankind's chance to survive
Swallowed lies and swam in our own tears
A stab in the dark but it wounded our will
Dust the apple off, savor each bite
And deep inside you know Adam was right
lust and power, indulgence, no fear
Left with his sins, how does this end?
We won't be here tomorrow, hold on to me for one last time

As the prophets shed the light on what's to come the crowds did gather
Your time is precious, they explained, no time to worry, messiah's coming
Don't go to sleep tonight, darling, hold me in your arms
These will be our final days and I can't let go

Walls are falling, churches burning, women ravaged, children crying
Flesh is tearing, some still fighting
In this world of misery

Very Happy
EPIC.

And these lyrics, about war and the effect it has on the ones involved:

Quote :
Staring at the carnage, praying that the sun would never rise.
Living another day in disguise.
These feelings can't be right, lend me your courage to stand up and fight, on tonight.

Ooooo....
Stand up and fight.

The fighting rages on and on, to challenge me you must be strong.
I walk your land but don't belong, two million soldiers can't be wrong.

It's no fun but I've been here before
I'm far from home and I'm fighting your war.
(Not the way I pictured this, I wanted better things)
Some are scared others killing for fun, I shot a mother right in front of her son.
(Take this from my consciousness, and please erase my dreams)

Fight for honor, fight for your life.
Pray to God that our side is right.
Even though we won, I still may lose
Until I make it home to you
I see our mothers filled with tears,
grew up so fast where did those years go?
Memories wont let you cry
unless I don't return tonight.

So many soldiers on the other side, I take their lives so they can't take mine.
(Scared to make it out alive now murder's all I know.)
Nobody tells me all the reasons we're here. I have my weapons so there's nothing to fear.
(Another day, another life, but nothing real to show for)

Fight for honor, fight for your life.
Pray to God that our side is right.
Even though we won, I still may lose
Until I make it home to you
I see our mothers filled with tears,
grew up so fast where did those years go?
Memories wont let you cry
unless I don't return tonight.

Staring at the carnage, praying that the sun would never rise.
Living another day in disguise.
These feelings can't be right, lend me your courage to stand up and fight.

Watching the death toll rise wondering how I'm alive.
Stranger's blood on my hands, I've shot all I can
There are no silent nights, watching your brothers all die
To destroy all their plans with no thought of me
No thought of me, no thought of me

Ohhhhh.....

Walk the city lonely
Memories that haunt are passing by
A murderer walks your street tonight
Forgive me for my crimes; don't forget that I was so young
Fought so scared in the name of God and country

Look at the contrast from verse to chorus. There are lexical sets like: blood, destroy, haunt, rage, etc in the verse
which drastically changes in the chorus into: honour, god life, right, etc

It's a masterpiece.
And that's just the lyrics. The music itself is pretty technical and beautiful.
Just because it's not your kind of thing it doesn't mean they're not talented and can't right good music.
A7X foREVer
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PostSubject: Re: Bands You Hated But Now Like   Bands You Hated But Now Like - Page 2 EmptySat Sep 11, 2010 6:58 am

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And the passion and emotion in A7X's songs is staggering.
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PostSubject: Re: Bands You Hated But Now Like   Bands You Hated But Now Like - Page 2 EmptySat Sep 11, 2010 9:21 am

A7X have such shallow lyrics in their songs. They feel so devoid of passion. It's like they said "We need to make a song about the ugliness of war so that we seem compassionate." Their songs are so basic and BORING. "Ooooh, we're dark."
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PostSubject: Re: Bands You Hated But Now Like   Bands You Hated But Now Like - Page 2 EmptySat Sep 11, 2010 1:49 pm

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A7X have such shallow lyrics in their songs. They feel so devoid of passion. It's like they said "We need to make a song about the ugliness of war so that we seem compassionate." Their songs are so basic and BORING. "Ooooh, we're dark."

You have already written almost exactly what I was about to type.
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PostSubject: Re: Bands You Hated But Now Like   Bands You Hated But Now Like - Page 2 EmptySat Sep 11, 2010 4:26 pm

TRF wrote:
A7X have such shallow lyrics in their songs. They feel so devoid of passion. It's like they said "We need to make a song about the ugliness of war so that we seem compassionate." Their songs are so basic and BORING. "Ooooh, we're dark."

lol
You could say that about any war-related song.
But now you're judging the band upon the people they are and their intentions. Are we forgetting we're having a MUSICAL argument here?

I mean, first there's criticism about the lyrics, now there's criticism about their motivations.
Honestly....


And before you judge A7X and claim they're just doing this for attention, in actual fact it was written about their own friends.
Listen to what he says right in the beginning:


There ya go.
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PostSubject: Re: Bands You Hated But Now Like   Bands You Hated But Now Like - Page 2 EmptySat Sep 11, 2010 4:42 pm

DemonWolf wrote:
TRF wrote:
A7X have such shallow lyrics in their songs. They feel so devoid of passion. It's like they said "We need to make a song about the ugliness of war so that we seem compassionate." Their songs are so basic and BORING. "Ooooh, we're dark."

lol
You could say that about any war-related song.
But now you're judging the band upon the people they are and their intentions. Are we forgetting we're having a MUSICAL argument here?

I mean, first there's criticism about the lyrics, now there's criticism about their motivations.
Honestly....
Their motivations play a big part in it. You could write the most lyrically brilliant song, but if there's no passion or emotion behind it, then it just feels empty. Avenged Sevenfold just feels empty to me.
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PostSubject: Re: Bands You Hated But Now Like   Bands You Hated But Now Like - Page 2 EmptySat Sep 11, 2010 5:03 pm

The artists motivations need to be taken into account, it's all part of the music.

Would Fela Kuti's Zombie have been so brilliant and cutting if it were performed by Blink 182? No, because there would be no feeling behind it, as they haven't experienced what he is describing.

You also seem to imply that the lyrics of a song should be taken completely separately from the instrumentation, but everything should be viewed as a whole package. The voice is just another instrument that can be used to reach the artist's goal.
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PostSubject: Re: Bands You Hated But Now Like   Bands You Hated But Now Like - Page 2 EmptySat Sep 11, 2010 6:38 pm

TRF wrote:
DemonWolf wrote:
TRF wrote:
A7X have such shallow lyrics in their songs. They feel so devoid of passion. It's like they said "We need to make a song about the ugliness of war so that we seem compassionate." Their songs are so basic and BORING. "Ooooh, we're dark."

lol
You could say that about any war-related song.
But now you're judging the band upon the people they are and their intentions. Are we forgetting we're having a MUSICAL argument here?

I mean, first there's criticism about the lyrics, now there's criticism about their motivations.
Honestly....
Their motivations play a big part in it. You could write the most lyrically brilliant song, but if there's no passion or emotion behind it, then it just feels empty. Avenged Sevenfold just feels empty to me.

lol that's just your opinion man.
It was Avenged Sevenfold's passion that drew me into them. Every song by them, the vocalist pushes himself to his limits. Pours out so much emotion into every note!
The guitar parts, instead of some boring simple riff, most of their songs (from City Of Evil in particular) have amazing guitar melodies, unlike any I've heard before, amazing lead lines that sound great but they also have powerful songs that really pack a punch.
In fact, I think A7X are the most passionate, emotional (but not emo) band out there. Listen to Betrayed. The third and fourth lines alone could bring me to tears. Razz

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The artists motivations need to be taken into account, it's all part of the music.

Would Fela Kuti's Zombie have been so brilliant and cutting if it were performed by Blink 182? No, because there would be no feeling behind it, as they haven't experienced what he is describing.

You also seem to imply that the lyrics of a song should be taken completely separately from the instrumentation, but everything should be viewed as a whole package. The voice is just another instrument that can be used to reach the artist's goal.

euuuughh I hate blink182.

I've never heard of Fela Kutis Very Happy

A whole package? Fine, bring up these rules.
But so far you've not given me a single valid point that shows A7X are anything less than an excellent band.
In fact, you've shown me rap, easily the worst genre around, and some very basic lyrics and used them to try and help your case. Now I'm even more certain of how good A7X are Very Happy
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DemonWolf wrote:
TRF wrote:
DemonWolf wrote:
TRF wrote:
A7X have such shallow lyrics in their songs. They feel so devoid of passion. It's like they said "We need to make a song about the ugliness of war so that we seem compassionate." Their songs are so basic and BORING. "Ooooh, we're dark."

lol
You could say that about any war-related song.
But now you're judging the band upon the people they are and their intentions. Are we forgetting we're having a MUSICAL argument here?

I mean, first there's criticism about the lyrics, now there's criticism about their motivations.
Honestly....
Their motivations play a big part in it. You could write the most lyrically brilliant song, but if there's no passion or emotion behind it, then it just feels empty. Avenged Sevenfold just feels empty to me.

lol that's just your opinion man.
It was Avenged Sevenfold's passion that drew me into them. Every song by them, the vocalist pushes himself to his limits. Pours out so much emotion into every note!
The guitar parts, instead of some boring simple riff, most of their songs (from City Of Evil in particular) have amazing guitar melodies, unlike any I've heard before, amazing lead lines that sound great but they also have powerful songs that really pack a punch.
In fact, I think A7X are the most passionate, emotional (but not emo) band out there. Listen to Betrayed. The third and fourth lines alone could bring me to tears. Razz

GGM wrote:
The artists motivations need to be taken into account, it's all part of the music.

Would Fela Kuti's Zombie have been so brilliant and cutting if it were performed by Blink 182? No, because there would be no feeling behind it, as they haven't experienced what he is describing.

You also seem to imply that the lyrics of a song should be taken completely separately from the instrumentation, but everything should be viewed as a whole package. The voice is just another instrument that can be used to reach the artist's goal.

euuuughh I hate blink182.

I've never heard of Fela Kutis Very Happy

A whole package? Fine, bring up these rules.
But so far you've not given me a single valid point that shows A7X are anything less than an excellent band.
In fact, you've shown me rap, easily the worst genre around, and some very basic lyrics and used them to try and help your case. Now I'm even more certain of how good A7X are Very Happy

Fela Kuti was a Nigerian multi-instrumentalist, who played Afrobeat music. His album Zombie, and the song of the same name, heavily criticized the Nigerian government, which resulted in the killing of his mother by Nigerian soldiers. On the subject of musical passion, he was pretty damn passionate.






(I know DemonWolf will say "Oh, A7X did a cover of this." To that I say, "Fuck you." A7X's cover is easily their best song.)



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TRF, sorry but... fail. Razz

Black Sabbath are considered metal. Hell, even Led Zeppelin, some of their songs are considered metal.
A7X are of a similar style but slightly heavier.

Btw Pantera are f*cking awesome but Walk is a shite song.

Message In Blood, Cemetery Gates, Rise, Hollow = Epic
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DemonWolf wrote:
TRF, sorry but... fail. Razz

Black Sabbath are considered metal. Hell, even Led Zeppelin, some of their songs are considered metal.
A7X are of a similar style but slightly heavier.

Btw Pantera are f*cking awesome but Walk is a shite song.

Message In Blood, Cemetery Gates, Rise, Hollow = Epic
"Walk" > "Message in Blood" ; but I do agree that Cemetery Gates is awesome. I also love "Domination" and "Cowboys from Hell".
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