Lack of diversity and originality will push 360 below ps3

TRF wrote:

Jamin wrote:

TRF wrote:

Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy VII were initially exclusives, which is why they sold PSone systems and not gaming PCs. Besides, an exclusive is categorized by its availability, not by the fact that it gives a system an advantage. By that logic, Call of Duty should be a 360 exclusive, even though the versions are pretty much equal on all three systems.

......exclusive based on who the game gives an advantage to...that is one of the most imbecilic things I've ever heard. Gaming has truly changed for the worse this generation. The one thing that this generation has that the others didn't was a huge sense of desperation in the gaming community, and the companies. Fear and desperation has changed everything.

I don't remember moronic fanboyism being as rampant during previous generations, either.

thats because for the first time a certain fanboy group that will remain nameless..................cant take it that they are last place when they are accustomed to 1st

Jamin wrote:

TRF wrote:

Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy VII were initially exclusives, which is why they sold PSone systems and not gaming PCs. Besides, an exclusive is categorized by its availability, not by the fact that it gives a system an advantage. By that logic, Call of Duty should be a 360 exclusive, even though the versions are pretty much equal on all three systems.

......exclusive based on who the game gives an advantage to...that is one of the most imbecilic things I've ever heard. Gaming has truly changed for the worse this generation. The one thing that this generation has that the others didn't was a huge sense of desperation in the gaming community, and the companies. Fear and desperation has changed everything.

agreed. it is sad but sadly definitions of words do change over the course of history

exclusivity in the gaming sense no longer means "only available on one platform", the companies and fanboys have essentially changed it to "who it gives the most, if not all, revenue"

in which case, COD is being considered by more and more as a 360 exclusive, as it is again considered moronic to buy any other version.

GeneralMLD wrote:

Jamin wrote:

TRF wrote:

Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy VII were initially exclusives, which is why they sold PSone systems and not gaming PCs. Besides, an exclusive is categorized by its availability, not by the fact that it gives a system an advantage. By that logic, Call of Duty should be a 360 exclusive, even though the versions are pretty much equal on all three systems.

......exclusive based on who the game gives an advantage to...that is one of the most imbecilic things I've ever heard. Gaming has truly changed for the worse this generation. The one thing that this generation has that the others didn't was a huge sense of desperation in the gaming community, and the companies. Fear and desperation has changed everything.

agreed. it is sad but sadly definitions of words do change over the course of history

exclusivity in the gaming sense no longer means "only available on one platform", the companies and fanboys have essentially changed it to "who it gives the most, if not all, revenue"

in which case, COD is being considered by more and more as a 360 exclusive, as it is again considered moronic to buy any other version.

Dont. Fanboys bent the word to fit THEIR agenda. That doesn't change the meaning, it just merely shows people are willing to delude themselves, and companies will cater to said fanboys. No meaning has been changed, the gaming we used to know is still here, its just buried under all the mud that fanboys sling. =/

Jamin wrote:

GeneralMLD wrote:

Jamin wrote:

TRF wrote:

Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy VII were initially exclusives, which is why they sold PSone systems and not gaming PCs. Besides, an exclusive is categorized by its availability, not by the fact that it gives a system an advantage. By that logic, Call of Duty should be a 360 exclusive, even though the versions are pretty much equal on all three systems.

......exclusive based on who the game gives an advantage to...that is one of the most imbecilic things I've ever heard. Gaming has truly changed for the worse this generation. The one thing that this generation has that the others didn't was a huge sense of desperation in the gaming community, and the companies. Fear and desperation has changed everything.

agreed. it is sad but sadly definitions of words do change over the course of history

exclusivity in the gaming sense no longer means "only available on one platform", the companies and fanboys have essentially changed it to "who it gives the most, if not all, revenue"

in which case, COD is being considered by more and more as a 360 exclusive, as it is again considered moronic to buy any other version.

Dont. Fanboys bent the word to fit THEIR agenda. That doesn't change the meaning, it just merely shows people are willing to delude themselves, and companies will cater to said fanboys. No meaning has been changed, the gaming we used to know is still here, its just buried under all the mud that fanboys sling. =/

actually definitions of some words do change over time. Fag, Gay (off the top of my head here) all meant different things over different generations.

now, exclusive in the gaming sense.....is changing as we speak, like it or not.

GeneralMLD wrote:

Jamin wrote:

GeneralMLD wrote:

Jamin wrote:

TRF wrote:

Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy VII were initially exclusives, which is why they sold PSone systems and not gaming PCs. Besides, an exclusive is categorized by its availability, not by the fact that it gives a system an advantage. By that logic, Call of Duty should be a 360 exclusive, even though the versions are pretty much equal on all three systems.

......exclusive based on who the game gives an advantage to...that is one of the most imbecilic things I've ever heard. Gaming has truly changed for the worse this generation. The one thing that this generation has that the others didn't was a huge sense of desperation in the gaming community, and the companies. Fear and desperation has changed everything.

agreed. it is sad but sadly definitions of words do change over the course of history

exclusivity in the gaming sense no longer means "only available on one platform", the companies and fanboys have essentially changed it to "who it gives the most, if not all, revenue"

in which case, COD is being considered by more and more as a 360 exclusive, as it is again considered moronic to buy any other version.

Dont. Fanboys bent the word to fit THEIR agenda. That doesn't change the meaning, it just merely shows people are willing to delude themselves, and companies will cater to said fanboys. No meaning has been changed, the gaming we used to know is still here, its just buried under all the mud that fanboys sling. =/

actually definitions of some words do change over time. Fag, Gay (off the top of my head here) all meant different things over different generations.

now, exclusive in the gaming sense.....is changing as we speak, like it or not.

I hate that people use the term gay as an insult. Even to inanimate objects.

GeneralMLD wrote:

thats because for the first time a certain fanboy group that will remain nameless..................cant take it that they are last place when they are accustomed to 1st

I'm pretty sure most PS3 fans don't care that their console sells the least. You make arguments about how the Gamecube gained no support while it was in last place, but that was mainly because a.) it used a very different disc format compared to other consoles, and b.) the sales gap was incredibly large. The PS3 and 360 are practically tied, and a 3 million gap isn't going to sway many developers to provide exclusive support for the 360 over the PS3.

GeneralMLD wrote:

in which case, COD is being considered by more and more as a 360 exclusive, as it is again considered moronic to buy any other version.

Only by you, maybe. The versions run equally across all HD platforms, and from what I hear, it runs well on the Wii also. If I have more friends playing it on PS3, then it would be moronic of me to buy it for the 360. PC version has mods, no? So wouldn't it be moronic not to buy it on PC? And hell, it you like motion controls, then it would be pretty moronic to not buy it on the Wii. If you want the map packs before anyone else, then it would be moronic to not buy it on the 360. The versions are all the same (except for the Wii, which, again, is a good buy regardless, and especially if you like motion controls).

GeneralMLD wrote:

actually definitions of some words do change over time. Fag, Gay (off the top of my head here) all meant different things over different generations.

now, exclusive in the gaming sense.....is changing as we speak, like it or not.

Yes, but "gay" and "fag" were always slang words. "Exclusive" will always mean "only available in one place or on one platform". Please define "console exclusive" without using the word "PC".

I agree with Jamin on the whole "Gaming has changed for the worse this gen" I remember last gen hardly anyone cared about sales, exclusives, and market share.

Scolar Visari wrote:

I agree with Jamin on the whole "Gaming has changed for the worse this gen" I remember last gen hardly anyone cared about sales, exclusives, and market share.

Exactly, because PS2 stole all three of those categories.

Pickles wrote:

GeneralMLD wrote:

Jamin wrote:

GeneralMLD wrote:

Jamin wrote:

TRF wrote:

Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy VII were initially exclusives, which is why they sold PSone systems and not gaming PCs. Besides, an exclusive is categorized by its availability, not by the fact that it gives a system an advantage. By that logic, Call of Duty should be a 360 exclusive, even though the versions are pretty much equal on all three systems.

......exclusive based on who the game gives an advantage to...that is one of the most imbecilic things I've ever heard. Gaming has truly changed for the worse this generation. The one thing that this generation has that the others didn't was a huge sense of desperation in the gaming community, and the companies. Fear and desperation has changed everything.

agreed. it is sad but sadly definitions of words do change over the course of history

exclusivity in the gaming sense no longer means "only available on one platform", the companies and fanboys have essentially changed it to "who it gives the most, if not all, revenue"

in which case, COD is being considered by more and more as a 360 exclusive, as it is again considered moronic to buy any other version.

Dont. Fanboys bent the word to fit THEIR agenda. That doesn't change the meaning, it just merely shows people are willing to delude themselves, and companies will cater to said fanboys. No meaning has been changed, the gaming we used to know is still here, its just buried under all the mud that fanboys sling. =/

actually definitions of some words do change over time. Fag, Gay (off the top of my head here) all meant different things over different generations.

now, exclusive in the gaming sense.....is changing as we speak, like it or not.

I hate that people use the term gay as an insult. Even to inanimate objects.

lol I use it all the time. It doesn't mean I've got anything against gays, I just got used to using it because I started saying it in primary school, carried on all my life
Hell, I've met some gay people who use it as a derogatory term, so how bad can it be? lol

TRF wrote:

GeneralMLD wrote:

thats because for the first time a certain fanboy group that will remain nameless..................cant take it that they are last place when they are accustomed to 1st

I'm pretty sure most PS3 fans don't care that their console sells the least. You make arguments about how the Gamecube gained no support while it was in last place, but that was mainly because a.) it used a very different disc format compared to other consoles, and b.) the sales gap was incredibly large. The PS3 and 360 are practically tied, and a 3 million gap isn't going to sway many developers to provide exclusive support for the 360 over the PS3.

GeneralMLD wrote:

in which case, COD is being considered by more and more as a 360 exclusive, as it is again considered moronic to buy any other version.

Only by you, maybe. The versions run equally across all HD platforms, and from what I hear, it runs well on the Wii also. If I have more friends playing it on PS3, then it would be moronic of me to buy it for the 360. PC version has mods, no? So wouldn't it be moronic not to buy it on PC? And hell, it you like motion controls, then it would be pretty moronic to not buy it on the Wii. If you want the map packs before anyone else, then it would be moronic to not buy it on the 360. The versions are all the same (except for the Wii, which, again, is a good buy regardless, and especially if you like motion controls).

GeneralMLD wrote:

actually definitions of some words do change over time. Fag, Gay (off the top of my head here) all meant different things over different generations.

now, exclusive in the gaming sense.....is changing as we speak, like it or not.

Yes, but "gay" and "fag" were always slang words. "Exclusive" will always mean "only available in one place or on one platform". Please define "console exclusive" without using the word "PC".

agreed with most but the COD part not so much. sales speak for themselves.......60% of it all was on 360, over 4 million on LIVE as opposed to 700000 on PSN. Regardless of your taste, if your friends all have ps3, if u like motion, you like PC mods, it is considered moronic to buy a non-360 version.

just saying, its your choice and preference, just know your a moron if you buy a non 360 copy

GeneralMLD wrote:

agreed with most but the COD part not so much. sales speak for themselves.......60% of it all was on 360, over 4 million on LIVE as opposed to 700000 on PSN. Regardless of your taste, if your friends all have ps3, if u like motion, you like PC mods, it is considered moronic to buy a non-360 version.

Why is it moronic? 700,000 people is still plenty of people to play with. I'd be a moron if I bought the 360 version when my friends bought the PS3 version. I'd be a moron if I wanted mods but still bought the 360 version. I'd be a moron if I wanted motion controls and didn't buy the Wii version. I'd be a moron if I wanted the map packs as soon as possible and didn't buy the 360 version. It's all preference, it doesn't make you a moron (unless you bought the DS version ).

Your sales numbers only prove that more people prefer to play Black Ops online on the 360. It doesn't make the minority opinion moronic, especially considering the fact that the game is the same on both 360 and PS3.

TRF wrote:

GeneralMLD wrote:

agreed with most but the COD part not so much. sales speak for themselves.......60% of it all was on 360, over 4 million on LIVE as opposed to 700000 on PSN. Regardless of your taste, if your friends all have ps3, if u like motion, you like PC mods, it is considered moronic to buy a non-360 version.

Why is it moronic? 700,000 people is still plenty of people to play with. I'd be a moron if I bought the 360 version when my friends bought the PS3 version. I'd be a moron if I wanted mods but still bought the 360 version. I'd be a moron if I wanted motion controls and didn't buy the Wii version. I'd be a moron if I wanted the map packs as soon as possible and didn't buy the 360 version. It's all preference, it doesn't make you a moron (unless you bought the DS version ).

Your sales numbers only prove that more people prefer to play Black Ops online on the 360. It doesn't make the minority opinion moronic, especially considering the fact that the game is the same on both 360 and PS3.

no it is not teh same

the controller is different, LIVE has more headsets then PSN, LIVE in general being very community oriented, cross game chat and party system, custom soundtrack within the game, DLC timed exclusivity, and even the textures look better on 360 slightly

either way, it all adds up

GeneralMLD wrote:

TRF wrote:

GeneralMLD wrote:

agreed with most but the COD part not so much. sales speak for themselves.......60% of it all was on 360, over 4 million on LIVE as opposed to 700000 on PSN. Regardless of your taste, if your friends all have ps3, if u like motion, you like PC mods, it is considered moronic to buy a non-360 version.

Why is it moronic? 700,000 people is still plenty of people to play with. I'd be a moron if I bought the 360 version when my friends bought the PS3 version. I'd be a moron if I wanted mods but still bought the 360 version. I'd be a moron if I wanted motion controls and didn't buy the Wii version. I'd be a moron if I wanted the map packs as soon as possible and didn't buy the 360 version. It's all preference, it doesn't make you a moron (unless you bought the DS version ).

Your sales numbers only prove that more people prefer to play Black Ops online on the 360. It doesn't make the minority opinion moronic, especially considering the fact that the game is the same on both 360 and PS3.

no it is not teh same

the controller is different, LIVE has more headsets then PSN, LIVE in general being very community oriented, cross game chat and party system, custom soundtrack within the game, DLC timed exclusivity, and even the textures look better on 360 slightly

either way, it all adds up

Yes, but whether or not those things matter is opinion. Personally, I prefer L1 and R1 on PS3 for shooting, I don't like talking to little children on Xbox LIVE, I don't use custom soundtracks, I'm not going to buy the DLC anyways, and the textures aren't enough to sway me towards the 360 version. Yes, I like the Party system, but if I have more friends playing it on PS3, then that will outweigh the party system.

You listed a bunch of facts and expect their significance to be universal, but their importance really does vary from person to person.

TRF wrote:

GeneralMLD wrote:

TRF wrote:

GeneralMLD wrote:

agreed with most but the COD part not so much. sales speak for themselves.......60% of it all was on 360, over 4 million on LIVE as opposed to 700000 on PSN. Regardless of your taste, if your friends all have ps3, if u like motion, you like PC mods, it is considered moronic to buy a non-360 version.

Why is it moronic? 700,000 people is still plenty of people to play with. I'd be a moron if I bought the 360 version when my friends bought the PS3 version. I'd be a moron if I wanted mods but still bought the 360 version. I'd be a moron if I wanted motion controls and didn't buy the Wii version. I'd be a moron if I wanted the map packs as soon as possible and didn't buy the 360 version. It's all preference, it doesn't make you a moron (unless you bought the DS version ).

Your sales numbers only prove that more people prefer to play Black Ops online on the 360. It doesn't make the minority opinion moronic, especially considering the fact that the game is the same on both 360 and PS3.

no it is not teh same

the controller is different, LIVE has more headsets then PSN, LIVE in general being very community oriented, cross game chat and party system, custom soundtrack within the game, DLC timed exclusivity, and even the textures look better on 360 slightly

either way, it all adds up

Yes, but whether or not those things matter is opinion. Personally, I prefer L1 and R1 on PS3 for shooting, I don't like talking to little children on Xbox LIVE, I don't use custom soundtracks, I'm not going to buy the DLC anyways, and the textures aren't enough to sway me towards the 360 version. Yes, I like the Party system, but if I have more friends playing it on PS3, then that will outweigh the party system.

You listed a bunch of facts and expect their significance to be universal, but their importance really does vary from person to person.

not to mention the 360 version of every COD game has more campers and little kids.

I heard that the PS3 version of "Call of Duty: Black Ops" has more technical problems then the Xbox 360 version.

Mecha wrote:

I heard that the PS3 version of "Call of Duty: Black Ops" has more technical problems then the Xbox 360 version.

Multiplat games that were developed for the 360/PC perform worse on a shoddy PS3 port?

STOP THE PRESSES

Wow, a certain someone lives in Egypt....by a damn river. The truth of the matter is this... no matter what reviews and all that crap, the winner this generation has to have the SALES and USER BASE. and, no matter how much you bicker about little things, the numbers speak for themselves. 360 is the David that butt raped Goliath, it got a few slashes and cuts along the way but at the end of TODAY 360 is STILL on top. Our exclusives, as "inferior" as you want to call them, sell ( as a whole) more consistently than PS3 ones. Even though this generation the multiplats are the ones getting the big money... and the best multiplats are where? ... Thank you

DenEvo wrote:

sales mean everything

Nope.

Lolwut, do you even write more than three words on your posts?

GeneralMLD wrote:

actually definitions of some words do change over time. Fag, Gay (off the top of my head here) all meant different things over different generations.

now, exclusive in the gaming sense.....is changing as we speak, like it or not.

LMAO!! Wow, MLD. That is not what is happening here. Admit it, you and others just delude the term exclusive just to fit your agenda. The term exclusive has not changed, but keep sticking "console", "2010", "Microsoft", and other words in front of exclusive to make yourselves feel better. Its the clearest portrayal of desperation. You "feel" that something has to "change" or is "changing" in order for you to "win". Like I said, this generation has shown the highest levels of desperation.

The scene has changed and it keeps changing... whoever cant see that, is in fact, desperate.

Jamin wrote:

GeneralMLD wrote:

actually definitions of some words do change over time. Fag, Gay (off the top of my head here) all meant different things over different generations.

now, exclusive in the gaming sense.....is changing as we speak, like it or not.

LMAO!! Wow, MLD. That is not what is happening here. Admit it, you and others just delude the term exclusive just to fit your agenda. The term exclusive has not changed, but keep sticking "console", "2010", "Microsoft", and other words in front of exclusive to make yourselves feel better. Its the clearest portrayal of desperation. You "feel" that something has to "change" or is "changing" in order for you to "win". Like I said, this generation has shown the highest levels of desperation.

It's 360 vs PS3 though. A game like Splinter Cell Conviction isn't an exclusive, but it's a console exclusive (a term used by Sony itself) and counts against the PS3 in a debate. If you just go, "it's on the PC!", then the free online, better graphics, better multimedia, no batteries or play and charge kit, etc. is rendered pointless as well as the PC does the same or does it better. Hell everyone might as well just turn into a PC elitist at that point! Console exclusives count cause well, most people don't play on a PC and a PS3, and because there is little debate to be had if you exclude all those points.

DenEvo wrote:

Wow, a certain someone lives in Egypt....by a damn river. The truth of the matter is this... no matter what reviews and all that crap, the winner this generation has to have the SALES and USER BASE. and, no matter how much you bicker about little things, the numbers speak for themselves. 360 is the David that butt raped Goliath, it got a few slashes and cuts along the way but at the end of TODAY 360 is STILL on top. Our exclusives, as "inferior" as you want to call them, sell ( as a whole) more consistently than PS3 ones. Even though this generation the multiplats are the ones getting the big money... and the best multiplats are where? ... Thank you

lolwut . . . the 360 hasn't moved at all. Nintendo destroyed Sony (and Microsoft) and basically switched places with them. The 360 isn't on top. As for where the best multiplats are . . . again, LOLWUT????????????????????

[quote="BlackStigma"]It's 360 vs PS3 though. A game like Splinter Cell Conviction isn't an exclusive, but it's a console exclusive (a term used by Sony itself) and counts against the PS3 in a debate. If you just go, "it's on the PC!", then the free online, better graphics, better multimedia, no batteries or play and charge kit, etc. is rendered pointless as well as the PC does the same or does it better. Hell everyone might as well just turn into a PC elitist at that point! Console exclusives count cause well, most people don't play on a PC and a PS3, and because there is little debate to be had if you exclude all those points.[/quote
So you pretend certain games don't exist in order to boost the 360's exclusive library.

Jamin wrote:

GeneralMLD wrote:

actually definitions of some words do change over time. Fag, Gay (off the top of my head here) all meant different things over different generations.

now, exclusive in the gaming sense.....is changing as we speak, like it or not.

LMAO!! Wow, MLD. That is not what is happening here. Admit it, you and others just delude the term exclusive just to fit your agenda. The term exclusive has not changed, but keep sticking "console", "2010", "Microsoft", and other words in front of exclusive to make yourselves feel better. Its the clearest portrayal of desperation. You "feel" that something has to "change" or is "changing" in order for you to "win". Like I said, this generation has shown the highest levels of desperation.

i discourage the use of console/MS exclusive, u know that. I say "360 game not on PS3". It aint catchy lol but thats what I say.

but nothing wrong with making a 2010 specific list like im doing now.