Halo Reach graphics PWN Uncharted 2 and Heavy Rain: Face Rendering

TRI-SIX-TEH wrote:

First off, your using a 3/4 year old screenshot of heavy rain plus an article came out a few months ago detailing how they have seriously ramped up the graphics +lighting with a sophisticated bleaching technique that works really well.
Hit this link to see what im talking about - http://www.cynamite.de/_misc/galleries/detail.cfm?pk=1502&fk=131127&opv=gal&page=1&order=&aid=0

Take a look at that updated screenshot and now tell me that halo reach has better lighting or facial features/animations - you can't. Look at how the lighting shadows off the fbi agents eyebrows and such. This makes halo reach's facial animation look complete shit. Notice the pours on his cheeks, the complex lighting, the hair simulation, the eyes, etc.

Also take a look at this - http://www.cynamite.de/_misc/galleries/detail.cfm?pk=1502&fk=131140&opv=gal&page=1&order=&aid=0

See the individual hairs and such of his beard. He looks extremely life like and the expression is amazing!

P.S its not such a good idea to face bungie's efforts who arn't particularly known for their graphics to a developer that wants to convey emotion through the expressions on the characters faces - in heavy rain emotion and the faces are everything.

Anyone who says Halo Reach facial animations are better than the *updated* heavy rain screenshots is talking complete bullshit!

Heavy Rain may have good graphics but will epic fail as a game. The only reason that it has really good graphics is because the gameplay was so easy to develop. Compare Halo Reach and Heavy Rain.

Halo Reach- non-stop action, run and gun, shooting
Heavy Rain- lets put my kid to bed, lets have a cry because im a single dad

Obviously the development team got to put all their time in the graphics. Regardless of that, Halo Reach still looks better. Look at the sweat on Carter's face. Sweat is actually a really hard thing to do in games and Halo Reach has nailed that small detail.

Hey guys,what is Heavy Rain?Ive never heard of it before.What do you do?

Arbiteris wrote:

Hey guys,what is Heavy Rain?Ive never heard of it before.What do you do?

Not much. Watch cutscenes and do QTEs.

343_Guilty_Spark wrote:

gamerdude wrote:

They look kinda of the same to me I dont really care about the graphics im not a graphic whore just as long i can tell what im doing idc

The whole point of this thread is to discuss the fact that Halo Reach does what PS3 fantards claim the xbox 360 can't do. They are constantly saying Heavy Rain and Uncharted 2 can only be done on PS3. We all knew it was horse shit.

Halo Reach shows the Xbox 360 is just as capable or even more so than the PS3.

It's not about being or not being a "graphics whore". It's about destroying the hopes and dreams of retarded PS3 fanboys who refuse to believe the truth that the PS3 is all hype and nothing more.

when did ps3 fanboys say we couldn't have awesome facial animations and faces, hadn't they seen the first mass effect

@ TRI-SIX-TEH

Those "Updated" pictures only look AS good as Carter's face in Halo Reach.

BTW, I wasn't silent, I was just at work. You do know what a job is don't you? It's they way adults make money so they can pay their bills. It's the reason that $50 a year is but a drop in a bucket for superior online gaming.

Oh and why are you here? This is a Xbox 360 fan forum. You obviously are not a Xbox 360 fan, so you have no business being here.

Oh and another thing. Heavy Rain is nothing but a long cutscene. There is no AI, no physics, or anything that makes a game a game. It's using every last bit of the PS3's power to run the absolute best rendering the machine is capable of. Halo Reach will run it's amazing graphics while at the same time calculating countless physics rutines and running the best AI available. All while maintaining a fluid frame rate in HD. All that with graphics that don't just match Heavy Rain, but actually look better.

I've seen Heavy Rain in motion. It looks OK. The animation and faces looks like creepy dead eye'd dolls. Have you even seen the Halo Reach trailer in motion. You can see the individual pours in Carter's face just like in Heavy Rain, but on top of that as Carter talks you can see the micro creases on his brow and tiny micro emotive movements. That's coming from a kick ass action game. Heavy Rain could have been prerendered and the "gameplay" would be nearly the same.

TRI-SIX-TEH wrote:

First off, your using a 3/4 year old screenshot of heavy rain plus an article came out a few months ago detailing how they have seriously ramped up the graphics +lighting with a sophisticated bleaching technique that works really well.
Hit this link to see what im talking about - http://www.cynamite.de/_misc/galleries/detail.cfm?pk=1502&fk=131127&opv=gal&page=1&order=&aid=0

Take a look at that updated screenshot and now tell me that halo reach has better lighting or facial features/animations - you can't. Look at how the lighting shadows off the fbi agents eyebrows and such. This makes halo reach's facial animation look complete shit. Notice the pours on his cheeks, the complex lighting, the hair simulation, the eyes, etc.

Also take a look at this - http://www.cynamite.de/_misc/galleries/detail.cfm?pk=1502&fk=131140&opv=gal&page=1&order=&aid=0

See the individual hairs and such of his beard. He looks extremely life like and the expression is amazing!

P.S its not such a good idea to face bungie's efforts who arn't particularly known for their graphics to a developer that wants to convey emotion through the expressions on the characters faces - in heavy rain emotion and the faces are everything.

Anyone who says Halo Reach facial animations are better than the *updated* heavy rain screenshots is talking complete bullshit!

are those pic suppose to be impressive cause atleast 2 look good others look meh, i mean half life 2 had better facial pics and animations,


oh yeah great face animations it looks like there trying to give
blow jobs when they talk, hell the original mass effect has better
faces. and you get that and we get alan wake,

@ day walker

I watched about 4 minutes of that Heavy Rain trailer and I just about fell asleep.

343_Guilty_Spark wrote:

@ day walker

I watched about 4 minutes of that Heavy Rain trailer and I just about fell asleep.

Agreed. I really dont see who this appeals to

wtf. I wanted to see how it concluded.

just noticed but alan wake looks way better and has better faces and animations, suck on that ps3fanboys

That heavy rain trailer was boring. The game is one big cutscene with QTEs. And graphically Alan Wake looks way better. And unlike heavy rain Alan Wake is actually a game.

Master_Chief wrote:

That heavy rain trailer was boring. The game is one big cutscene with QTEs. And graphically Alan Wake looks way better. And unlike heavy rain Alan Wake is actually a game.

Oh snap. So true. I really don't understand why PS3 fantards are going crazy about Heavy Rain. It's not a game. Wait, that actually does make sense.

PS3 owners don't play games. Heavy Rain isn't a game. PS3 owners want the non-game Heavy Rain.

No wonder PS3 game sales are so poor. They don't want them. They want movies and movie like interactive media that aren't games.

yep and sony's boys will say that alan copied off of heavy rain, not eving listening to rreason, and saying alans the same as heavy, we got our game first so yeah, lol um when do they get out,

343_Guilty_Spark wrote:

Master_Chief wrote:

That heavy rain trailer was boring. The game is one big cutscene with QTEs. And graphically Alan Wake looks way better. And unlike heavy rain Alan Wake is actually a game.

Oh snap. So true. I really don't understand why PS3 fantards are going crazy about Heavy Rain. It's not a game. Wait, that actually does make sense.

PS3 owners don't play games. Heavy Rain isn't a game. PS3 owners want the non-game Heavy Rain.

No wonder PS3 game sales are so poor. They don't want them. They want movies and movie like interactive media that aren't games.

PS3 fantards go on about it because thats all they got to go on about during 2010. They have God of War 3 and GT5, thats it for basically the whole year.

We, on the other hand, have a AAA exclusive just about every month of the year

ghost23 wrote:

343_Guilty_Spark wrote:

Master_Chief wrote:

That heavy rain trailer was boring. The game is one big cutscene with QTEs. And graphically Alan Wake looks way better. And unlike heavy rain Alan Wake is actually a game.

Oh snap. So true. I really don't understand why PS3 fantards are going crazy about Heavy Rain. It's not a game. Wait, that actually does make sense.

PS3 owners don't play games. Heavy Rain isn't a game. PS3 owners want the non-game Heavy Rain.

No wonder PS3 game sales are so poor. They don't want them. They want movies and movie like interactive media that aren't games.

PS3 fantards go on about it because thats all they got to go on about during 2010. They have God of War 3 and GT5, thats it for basically the whole year.

We, on the other hand, have a AAA exclusive just about every month of the year

GT5, heavy rain, God of war 3, MAG, Resistance 3 (pretty much confirmed), Final Fantasy 14, Final Fantasy Vs13, Infamous 2, Starhawk (sequel to warhawk), Agent, The Last Guardian, NationModracers, 3d dot game heroes, The Agency, DC online universe, White Knight Chronicles, LA Noire, Twisted Metal ps3 (supossedly) - http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-6894-Video-Game-News-Examiner~y2010m1d1-Jaffe-on-the-possibility-of-developing-for-iPhone
In that link he says "right now we have guns blazing on our ps3 masterpiece",
Killzone 3 (2011), Uncharted 3 (2011) (Naughty Dog have already began trowing around ideas for the opening sequence in U3 and have began upgrading the engine.), Media Molecules next game, Then there are all sonys other first parties who haven't brought out games this gen (Sony Bend - Syphon Filter series), Socom 5 (strong possibility). I wouldn't count on Microsoft's third parties so much. After both the splinter cell conviction team and the Bioware team have hinted @ ps3 counterparts - mostly Bioware. Then have hinted to many times for nothig o be up.
Recently Sony London have said that their two projects Eight days https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDOZvKWXDP4, The Getaway https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDw3dYl4-nU are mid way through development but aren't CANNED just put on hold until the Eyepet IP can establish itself. Also all sony other first parties.
While some of these may not see light in 2010 you can bet they are all in production of some kind.

A.wake wrote:

ghost23 wrote:

343_Guilty_Spark wrote:

Master_Chief wrote:

That heavy rain trailer was boring. The game is one big cutscene with QTEs. And graphically Alan Wake looks way better. And unlike heavy rain Alan Wake is actually a game.

Oh snap. So true. I really don't understand why PS3 fantards are going crazy about Heavy Rain. It's not a game. Wait, that actually does make sense.

PS3 owners don't play games. Heavy Rain isn't a game. PS3 owners want the non-game Heavy Rain.

No wonder PS3 game sales are so poor. They don't want them. They want movies and movie like interactive media that aren't games.

PS3 fantards go on about it because thats all they got to go on about during 2010. They have God of War 3 and GT5, thats it for basically the whole year.

We, on the other hand, have a AAA exclusive just about every month of the year

GT5, heavy rain, God of war 3, MAG, Resistance 3 (pretty much confirmed), Final Fantasy 14, Final Fantasy Vs13, Infamous 2, Starhawk (sequel to warhawk), Agent, The Last Guardian, NationModracers, 3d dot game heroes, The Agency, DC online universe, White Knight Chronicles, LA Noire, Twisted Metal ps3 (supossedly) - http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-6894-Video-Game-News-Examiner~y2010m1d1-Jaffe-on-the-possibility-of-developing-for-iPhone
In that link he says "right now we have guns blazing on our ps3 masterpiece",
Killzone 3 (2011), Uncharted 3 (2011) (Naughty Dog have already began trowing around ideas for the opening sequence in U3 and have began upgrading the engine.), Media Molecules next game, Then there are all sonys other first parties who haven't brought out games this gen (Sony Bend - Syphon Filter series), Socom 5 (strong possibility). I wouldn't count on Microsoft's third parties so much. After both the splinter cell conviction team and the Bioware team have hinted @ ps3 counterparts - mostly Bioware. Then have hinted to many times for nothig o be up.
Recently Sony London have said that their two projects Eight days https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDOZvKWXDP4, The Getaway https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDw3dYl4-nU are mid way through development but aren't CANNED just put on hold until the Eyepet IP can establish itself. Also all sony other first parties.
While some of these may not see light in 2010 you can bet they are all in production of some kind.

What was the point in that??

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A.wake wrote:

ghost23 wrote:

343_Guilty_Spark wrote:

Master_Chief wrote:

That heavy rain trailer was boring. The game is one big cutscene with QTEs. And graphically Alan Wake looks way better. And unlike heavy rain Alan Wake is actually a game.

Oh snap. So true. I really don't understand why PS3 fantards are going crazy about Heavy Rain. It's not a game. Wait, that actually does make sense.

PS3 owners don't play games. Heavy Rain isn't a game. PS3 owners want the non-game Heavy Rain.

No wonder PS3 game sales are so poor. They don't want them. They want movies and movie like interactive media that aren't games.

PS3 fantards go on about it because thats all they got to go on about during 2010. They have God of War 3 and GT5, thats it for basically the whole year.

We, on the other hand, have a AAA exclusive just about every month of the year

GT5, heavy rain, God of war 3, MAG, Resistance 3 (pretty much confirmed), Final Fantasy 14, Final Fantasy Vs13, Infamous 2, Starhawk (sequel to warhawk), Agent, The Last Guardian, NationModracers, 3d dot game heroes, The Agency, DC online universe, White Knight Chronicles, LA Noire, Twisted Metal ps3 (supossedly) - http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-6894-Video-Game-News-Examiner~y2010m1d1-Jaffe-on-the-possibility-of-developing-for-iPhone
In that link he says "right now we have guns blazing on our ps3 masterpiece",
Killzone 3 (2011), Uncharted 3 (2011) (Naughty Dog have already began trowing around ideas for the opening sequence in U3 and have began upgrading the engine.), Media Molecules next game, Then there are all sonys other first parties who haven't brought out games this gen (Sony Bend - Syphon Filter series), Socom 5 (strong possibility). I wouldn't count on Microsoft's third parties so much. After both the splinter cell conviction team and the Bioware team have hinted @ ps3 counterparts - mostly Bioware. Then have hinted to many times for nothig o be up.
Recently Sony London have said that their two projects Eight days https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDOZvKWXDP4, The Getaway https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDw3dYl4-nU are mid way through development but aren't CANNED just put on hold until the Eyepet IP can establish itself. Also all sony other first parties.
While some of these may not see light in 2010 you can bet they are all in production of some kind.

What was the point in that?? Oh I see! You think that Mass Effect is going the the PS3....Sorry buddie...its not.

A.wake wrote:

ghost23 wrote:

343_Guilty_Spark wrote:

Master_Chief wrote:

That heavy rain trailer was boring. The game is one big cutscene with QTEs. And graphically Alan Wake looks way better. And unlike heavy rain Alan Wake is actually a game.

Oh snap. So true. I really don't understand why PS3 fantards are going crazy about Heavy Rain. It's not a game. Wait, that actually does make sense.

PS3 owners don't play games. Heavy Rain isn't a game. PS3 owners want the non-game Heavy Rain.

No wonder PS3 game sales are so poor. They don't want them. They want movies and movie like interactive media that aren't games.

PS3 fantards go on about it because thats all they got to go on about during 2010. They have God of War 3 and GT5, thats it for basically the whole year.

We, on the other hand, have a AAA exclusive just about every month of the year

GT5, heavy rain, God of war 3, MAG, Resistance 3 (pretty much confirmed), Final Fantasy 14, Final Fantasy Vs13, Infamous 2, Starhawk (sequel to warhawk), Agent, The Last Guardian, NationModracers, 3d dot game heroes, The Agency, DC online universe, White Knight Chronicles, LA Noire, Twisted Metal ps3 (supossedly) - http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-6894-Video-Game-News-Examiner~y2010m1d1-Jaffe-on-the-possibility-of-developing-for-iPhone
In that link he says "right now we have guns blazing on our ps3 masterpiece",
Killzone 3 (2011), Uncharted 3 (2011) (Naughty Dog have already began trowing around ideas for the opening sequence in U3 and have began upgrading the engine.), Media Molecules next game, Then there are all sonys other first parties who haven't brought out games this gen (Sony Bend - Syphon Filter series), Socom 5 (strong possibility). I wouldn't count on Microsoft's third parties so much. After both the splinter cell conviction team and the Bioware team have hinted @ ps3 counterparts - mostly Bioware. Then have hinted to many times for nothig o be up.
Recently Sony London have said that their two projects Eight days https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDOZvKWXDP4, The Getaway https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDw3dYl4-nU are mid way through development but aren't CANNED just put on hold until the Eyepet IP can establish itself. Also all sony other first parties.
While some of these may not see light in 2010 you can bet they are all in production of some kind.

Im gonna counter every game u mentioned, its gonna be a long post but who cares.

GT5- Fails as a franchise, Refer to MLD videos.
Heavy Rain- Not even a game, refer to previous posts
God of War 3- God of War 2 with better graphics
MAG- Average Multiplayer, no campaign
Resistance 3- Are we putting unconfirmed games into this argument now?
Final Fantasy 14- Will come to 360
Final Fantasy VS 13- Don't give a shit, wont do well in NA
Infamous 2- Not 2010
Starhawk- Won't be AAA
Agent- Not 2010
The Last Guardian- The trailer looked like it was for 6 year old girls
Nationmodracers- DUDE, u cant even get the name right, its modnation racers. wont be AAA
3d dot game heroes- wasnt AAA in japan so wont be in NA
The Agency- Not 2010
White Knight Chronicles- BORING
LA Noire- Take2 said its coming out on 360 as well
Killzone 3- Not 2010
Uncharted 3- Not 2010

You really cant put unannounced games in your argument because we are discussing 2010.

Bioware and Ubisoft have never hinted at a PS3 release, a retailer accidentally posted a PS3 version of Mass Effect 2, very different to a dev hinting at it.

EDIT: Also dude you need to structure your paragraphs a lot better or else you are gonna fail in school. Unless you're an adult which means you are a failure

lol just noticed that when ps3 fanboys need to p someone they mention the same thing over again, he mention agent twice, and a while ago some ps3 boy mention graphics in the same post, my god hey have nothing good so they just re say the same things,

day walker wrote:

lol just noticed that when ps3 fanboys need to p someone they mention the same thing over again, he mention agent twice, and a while ago some ps3 boy mention graphics in the same post, my god hey have nothing good so they just re say the same things,

Thats because PS3 fantards have no counterpoints to make. They just regurgitate the same tired list of mediocre games or what they have read in Sony PR statements.

Ncice pwnage ghost23!

ghost23 wrote:

343_Guilty_Spark wrote:

Master_Chief wrote:

That heavy rain trailer was boring. The game is one big cutscene with QTEs. And graphically Alan Wake looks way better. And unlike heavy rain Alan Wake is actually a game.

Oh snap. So true. I really don't understand why PS3 fantards are going crazy about Heavy Rain. It's not a game. Wait, that actually does make sense.

PS3 owners don't play games. Heavy Rain isn't a game. PS3 owners want the non-game Heavy Rain.

No wonder PS3 game sales are so poor. They don't want them. They want movies and movie like interactive media that aren't games.

PS3 fantards go on about it because thats all they got to go on about during 2010. They have God of War 3 and GT5, thats it for basically the whole year.

We, on the other hand, have a AAA exclusive just about every month of the year

Yep and it looks like MAG is an epic fail.
http://emotionalninja.net/2010/01/04/mag-beta-is-underwhelming/

Master_Chief wrote:

That heavy rain trailer was boring. The game is one big cutscene with QTEs. And graphically Alan Wake looks way better. And unlike heavy rain Alan Wake is actually a game.

Indigo Prophecy which was quantic dreams last game and a lot like HR was a very fun and involving game. It is one of the couple xbox original games I still play and decided to keep. HR will be a much deeper experience which gets me excited for the game.

As for the original topic U2 imo beats the screens in the rest, but what point is lost is what it all looks like in motion. We haven't seen a lot with reach, but the facial animations are stiff and admittenly a little bit in HR as well. In Uncharted 2 the characters really feel alive with their emotions.

One-Shot wrote:

Master_Chief wrote:

That heavy rain trailer was boring. The game is one big cutscene with QTEs. And graphically Alan Wake looks way better. And unlike heavy rain Alan Wake is actually a game.

Indigo Prophecy which was quantic dreams last game and a lot like HR was a very fun and involving game. It is one of the couple xbox original games I still play and decided to keep. HR will be a much deeper experience which gets me excited for the game.

As for the original topic U2 imo beats the screens in the rest, but what point is lost is what it all looks like in motion. We haven't seen a lot with reach, but the facial animations are stiff and admittenly a little bit in HR as well. In Uncharted 2 the characters really feel alive with their emotions.

The only grief i have with U2 graphics is the eyes...everyone especially Chloe looks like they have robot eyes.

lightlamp2 wrote:

One-Shot wrote:

Master_Chief wrote:

That heavy rain trailer was boring. The game is one big cutscene with QTEs. And graphically Alan Wake looks way better. And unlike heavy rain Alan Wake is actually a game.

Indigo Prophecy which was quantic dreams last game and a lot like HR was a very fun and involving game. It is one of the couple xbox original games I still play and decided to keep. HR will be a much deeper experience which gets me excited for the game.

As for the original topic U2 imo beats the screens in the rest, but what point is lost is what it all looks like in motion. We haven't seen a lot with reach, but the facial animations are stiff and admittenly a little bit in HR as well. In Uncharted 2 the characters really feel alive with their emotions.

The only grief i have with U2 graphics is the eyes...everyone especially Chloe looks like they have robot eyes.

Can't say I noticed that. I thought they looked very good on all the characters.